Degree and proportion: ほど, くらい, ば〜ほど
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In short
Japanese measures a degree by illustrating it: instead of “extremely tired” you say 死ぬほど疲れました shinu hodo tsukaremashita, literally “tired to the extent of dying”. ほど hodo points up toward an extreme and is the formal one; くらい/ぐらい kurai / gurai points at an approximation or plays something down. Stack ほど on the ば-form of the last lesson and you get proportion: 考えれば考えるほど kangaereba kangaeru hodo, “the more I think about it, the more…”.
The rule
Step 1 - Degree by illustration: plain form / noun + ほど・くらい. Both behave like nouns (the dictionaries class this use as 副助詞, an adverbial particle), so whatever precedes them must be in the plain form (lesson 17) - never ます, never です. The illustration comes first, the real predicate last:
[illustration in plain form] + ほど/くらい + [adjective or verb]
- 泣きたいほどうれしかったです。 (Nakitai hodo ureshikatta desu.) - I was so happy I could have cried.
- 子供でも分かるくらい簡単な問題です。 (Kodomo demo wakaru kurai kantan na mondai desu.) - It is easy enough that even a child would understand.
English needs “so … that”; Japanese just puts the picture in front of ほど. Note that politeness is carried by the final predicate only. Before a noun, both take の: 泣きたいほどの喜び nakitai hodo no yorokobi (“joy that makes you want to cry”), 子供でも分かるくらいの問題 kodomo demo wakaru kurai no mondai (“a problem even a child could understand”).
Step 2 - ほど aims up, くらい aims down. They are not free variants.
- ほど picks a scale-topping image and is at home in writing and formal speech: 死ぬほど, 信じられないほど shinjirarenai hodo (“unbelievably”), 山ほど yama hodo (“a mountain of”).
- くらい/ぐらい picks an ordinary, low or trivial image, and belongs to everyday speech: 子供でも分かるくらい, 五分くらい.
- Only くらい can belittle something - “no more than that”: それくらい大丈夫です sore kurai daijōbu desu (“that much is fine”), それくらい自分でしてください (“do that much yourself”). ×それほど大丈夫です does not work in this sense.
- With a quantity, both are fine but the register differs: 一時間ほど話しました is formal/written, 一時間ぐらい話しました is what you say out loud. くらい and ぐらい are the same word - the dictionaries list ぐらい as a voiced variant of くらい, and either is acceptable here.
Step 3 - 〜ほど〜ない, revisited. From lesson 31: A は B ほど + negative = “A is not as … as B”. The predicate must be negative.
今年は去年ほど寒くないです。 (Kotoshi wa kyonen hodo samukunai desu.) - This year is not as cold as last year.
At B1, extend it beyond adjectives to whole clauses: 思ったほど難しくなかったです omotta hodo muzukashikunakatta desu (“it wasn’t as hard as I thought”), 期待したほど売れませんでした (“it didn’t sell as well as we hoped”). The より-comparison of lesson 31 states a gap; ほど〜ない denies that a level was reached, which is softer and less blunt.
Step 4 - Proportion: 〜ば〜ほど. Repeat the same word twice - once in the ば-form from lesson 51, once in the plain form before ほど:
V-ば + V-dictionary + ほど / A-ければ + A-い + ほど
高ければ高いほど、よく売れます。 (Takakereba takai hodo, yoku uremasu.) - The more expensive it is, the better it sells.
Only ほど builds this - ×高ければ高いくらい is ungrammatical. The ば half may be dropped in casual speech (考えるほど分からなくなる), but write it in full while you are learning. For な-adjectives the second half keeps its な: 静かなら静かなほど. For nouns, use the であれば pattern: プロであればあるほど puro de areba aru hodo (“the more of a professional you are…”).
Step 5 - Parallel change without a conditional: 〜につれて and friends. These need no ば-form at all. Most of them take a dictionary-form verb or a noun, and they describe two things changing together over time.
- 〜につれて ni tsurete - the neutral default, gradual and natural: 時間が経つにつれて〜
- 〜にしたがって ni shitagatte - slightly formal; the second change follows the first, as if obeying it: 山を登るにしたがって〜
- 〜とともに to tomo ni - written and formal, “together with”; also plain simultaneity.
- 〜に伴って ni tomonatte - written, news register; a large change brings a consequence with it. This one prefers a noun: 人口の増加に伴って〜 - a verb attaches in its dictionary form, 人口が増えるに伴って, or nominalised with の: 人口が増えるのに伴って.
Two restrictions worth memorising: the change must be gradual and continuous (not a single event), and the main clause must be a description, not a request or an intention - ×暖かくなるにつれて、旅行しましょう is wrong; use たら for that.
Step 6 - Reinforcing adverbs. だんだん dandan, どんどん dondon and ますます masumasu sit in the main clause and make the movement audible: 練習すればするほど、どんどん上手になります。They are optional but very natural in these patterns.
Step 7 - Fixed extent: できるだけ / なるべく. できるだけ dekiru dake (“as much as one can”) and なるべく narubeku (softer, mostly with requests) go straight in front of the adverb, adjective or verb they limit: できるだけ早く, なるべく静かに. Treat them as single words, not as productive grammar.
Forms & patterns
ほど vs くらい/ぐらい.
| Function | ほど | くらい/ぐらい | Example |
|---|---|---|---|
| Extreme, scale-topping image | default | weak, unusual | 死ぬほど疲れました shinu hodo tsukaremashita |
| Ordinary or low image | possible, but stiffer | default | 子供でも分かるくらい kodomo demo wakaru kurai |
| Approximate quantity | formal / written | everyday speech | 一時間ほど/一時間ぐらい ichi-jikan hodo / ichi-jikan gurai; to ask, どれくらい/どのくらい dore kurai / dono kurai |
| Playing something down (“only that much”) | not possible | only くらい | それくらい大丈夫です sore kurai daijōbu desu |
| Negative comparison 〜ない | standard | colloquial only | 去年ほど寒くないです kyonen hodo samukunai desu |
| Proportion 〜ば〜ほど | only ほど | impossible | 高ければ高いほど takakereba takai hodo |
Building 〜ば〜ほど by word class.
| Class | Pattern | Example | Romaji |
|---|---|---|---|
| Godan (五段) | V-えば + V-dict + ほど | 読めば読むほど | yomeba yomu hodo |
| Ichidan (一段) | V-れば + V-dict + ほど | 考えれば考えるほど | kangaereba kangaeru hodo |
| する | すれば + する + ほど | すればするほど | sureba suru hodo |
| 来る | 来れば + 来る + ほど | 来れば来るほど | kureba kuru hodo |
| i-adjective | A-ければ + A-い + ほど | 高ければ高いほど | takakereba takai hodo |
| na-adjective | NA-なら + NA-な + ほど | 静かなら静かなほど | shizuka nara shizuka na hodo |
| Noun | N-であれば + ある + ほど | プロであればあるほど | puro de areba aru hodo |
Parallel change: which one to use.
| Expression | Attaches to | Register | Nuance |
|---|---|---|---|
| 〜につれて | V-dict / noun | neutral, spoken and written | the general default; gradual co-change |
| 〜にしたがって | V-dict / noun | slightly formal | B follows A, as if obeying it |
| 〜とともに | V-dict / noun | formal, written | ”together with”; also plain simultaneity |
| 〜に伴って | noun (preferred) / V-dict (also 〜のに伴って) | written, news and reports | a big change drags a consequence along |
Reinforcing adverbs.
| Adverb | Romaji | Force |
|---|---|---|
| だんだん | dandan | gradually, step by step - slow and neutral |
| どんどん | dondon | steadily and visibly - energetic, colloquial |
| ますます | masumasu | more and more, on top of an already high degree |
Examples
- 昨日は死ぬほど疲れました。 (Kinō wa shinu hodo tsukaremashita.) - I was dead tired yesterday.
- 子供でも分かるくらい簡単な問題です。 (Kodomo demo wakaru kurai kantan na mondai desu.) - It is a problem easy enough for even a child to understand.
- それくらい大丈夫ですよ。 (Sore kurai daijōbu desu yo.) - That much is no trouble at all.
- 今年は去年ほど寒くないです。 (Kotoshi wa kyonen hodo samukunai desu.) - This year is not as cold as last year.
- 考えれば考えるほど、分からなくなります。 (Kangaereba kangaeru hodo, wakaranaku narimasu.) - The more I think about it, the less I understand.
- 練習すればするほど、どんどん上手になります。 (Renshū sureba suru hodo, dondon jōzu ni narimasu.) - The more you practise, the better and better you get.
- 部屋は静かなら静かなほどいいです。 (Heya wa shizuka nara shizuka na hodo ii desu.) - The quieter the room, the better.
- 時間が経つにつれて、痛みは軽くなりました。 (Jikan ga tatsu ni tsurete, itami wa karuku narimashita.) - As time went by, the pain grew lighter.
- 人口の増加に伴って、住宅が不足しています。 (Jinkō no zōka ni tomonatte, jūtaku ga fusoku shite imasu.) - With the rise in population, housing is running short.
- なるべく早く返事をください。 (Narubeku hayaku henji o kudasai.) - Please reply as soon as you can.
Common mistakes
- 考えるば考えるほど分からなくなります。 (Kangaeruba kangaeru hodo wakaranaku narimasu.) -> 考えれば考えるほど分からなくなります。 (Kangaereba kangaeru hodo wakaranaku narimasu.) - the first half must be a real ば-form, built on the -e- row: 考えれば, 読めば. ば never attaches to the dictionary form.
- 静かなら静かほどいいです。 (Shizuka nara shizuka hodo ii desu.) -> 静かなら静かなほどいいです。 (Shizuka nara shizuka na hodo ii desu.) - ほど is a noun, so a な-adjective in front of it keeps its な, exactly as in 静かな部屋.
- 大阪は東京ほど大きいです。 (Ōsaka wa Tōkyō hodo ōkii desu.) -> 大阪は東京ほど大きくないです。 (Ōsaka wa Tōkyō hodo ōkikunai desu.) - 〜ほど in a comparison demands a negative predicate. With an affirmative it is simply ungrammatical; for an affirmative gap use より.
- 時間が経ったにつれて、痛みは軽くなりました。 (Jikan ga tatta ni tsurete, itami wa karuku narimashita.) -> 時間が経つにつれて、痛みは軽くなりました。 (Jikan ga tatsu ni tsurete, itami wa karuku narimashita.) - につれて takes the dictionary form or a noun. The た-form turns a gradual process into a finished event, which the pattern cannot express.
- 泣きたいですほどうれしかったです。 (Nakitai desu hodo ureshikatta desu.) -> 泣きたいほどうれしかったです。 (Nakitai hodo ureshikatta desu.) - the clause in front of ほど is a modifier, so it stays plain. Politeness belongs to the final predicate only.
Tips
- Japanese states degree with a picture, not an intensifier. Where English piles on “extremely, incredibly, terribly”, Japanese names a limit and adds ほど: 死ぬほど暑い, 信じられないほど安い, 山ほどある. Collecting five of these images buys you more expressive range than any list of adverbs.
- Up = ほど, down = くらい. ほど reaches for the ceiling and sounds formal; くらい shrugs and sounds casual. That single axis predicts almost every choice, including why それくらい大丈夫です (“it’s only that much”) can never be それほど.
- ば〜ほど is one word repeated twice. Say the word, bend it into ば, say it again plain, then ほど: 高い -> 高ければ高いほど. If the two halves are different words, you have built something else.
- につれて is not a conditional. It describes, so it cannot end in ましょう, てください or つもりです. If your main clause is a plan or a request, you want たら or ば instead (lesson 24).
- Coming later: 〜くらいなら (“rather than…”), as in 待つくらいなら歩いて行きます matsu kurai nara aruite ikimasu (“rather than wait, I’ll walk”). It is built from these pieces but belongs to the B2 band - recognise it, don’t drill it yet.